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Subject: FedEx Sightings 9/21/14:
Jimmy Glenn Burk9/21/2014
FedEx Sightings 9/21/14:Went to Kroger to shop & ran into two old friends: Dewey Hemphill & Lydle SimpsonHave known Dewey since around 1974 where he was the Director of Computer Ops at DCC in Memphis. DCC had 2 Burroughs 6700 mainframes plus a Honeywell Multics mainframe. ( I taught myself Algol, Cobol & PL/1 on these systems.)Dewey & Don Sparks came to FedEx in the early 1980's to Revenue Systems working under Charlie Germano. Dewey worked in several FedEx divisions before he retired. He now lives in Lakeland, and teaches courses for the Univ of Arkansas-Fayetteville & the Univ of Memphis.Have known Lydle since the early 80's. He was a Manager in Systems development for many years. After retirement he served as vendor reps for several major FedEx IT suppliers. Lydle lives in Cordova
Don Rose9/21/2014
I know them both well. I used to run into Lydle now and then, but I haven't seen Dewey in many years.
Penny Hitchcock Hopper9/22/2014
Glad to hear that they're both well.
Jimmy Glenn Burk9/22/2014
I first met Lydle around 1981. I was writing the DADS software, and across the hall from my office, Chuck Deiotte from COS set up an Apple II computer w/ a sony tv, a TI-810 printer and a 5" floppy drive.
Lydle and Mark Ramsey were checking it out to program the Apple in Basic to solve a FedEx problem. Many customers were willing to give FedEx 100's and even 1000's of packages a week...but refused to fill out the airbills.
The Apple II came on the scene and a database of the customers would be installed. The customers could then just select their customers, and voila ..pre-printed airbills were done for them.
An example was a video tape company which would sent out 10's of thousands of videos each week, all weighing the same and packaged the same.
So the Apple II became the first customer automation device and volumes continued to grow. Not sure if it was Lydle or Mark or both who did the initial programs.
After COSMOS IIa was implemented, which was scanning packages at the hub and in/out of the stations...Mark added a routine to allow the apple II to dial the mainframe and then do tracking on all the customer deliveries.
Buddy Johnson9/22/2014
We (Cindy and I) expect to see Dewey at their 50th HS class reunion in a couple of weeks. Glad Lydle is also doing well. Worked in Sys Dev with him for many years, Lydle - hope your golf game is still kickin' butt!!!
Jimmy Glenn Burk9/22/2014
Dewey Hemphill
Jimmy Glenn Burk9/22/2014
Lydle Simpson
Buddy Johnson9/22/2014
Jimmy, thanks for the pictures. Ladle hasn't changes much over the years...may a slight touch of gray.. Dewey is sporting a new look....will raz him when we see him.
Buddy Johnson9/22/2014
Oops....Lydle. Sorry about that!!
Subject: from the FedEx Retiree webpage: www.ferc1.org :
Jimmy Glenn Burk9/22/2014
from the FedEx Retiree webpage: www.ferc1.org :The FERC Annual Benefits & Health Fair will be the focus of our October 9, 2014 Memphis luncheon. Make plans to attend this exciting event from 10:30a - 1:00p. Benefit and health providers will be available to ask/answer questions and provide insight to health and benefits related matters. Many of the FedEx Benefits providers such as Cigna Healthcare (Pre-65), Global Travel, Retirement Plans, and FECCA will be in attendance along with many local health and benefit related providers. Come and receive your annual flu shots. Take home some vendor giveaways and additional information on staying healthy. Invite a friend and share healthy choices. More details as they become available.
Subject: Jim & Donna Barksdale receive Legacy 2014 Award: http://news.olemiss.edu/womens-council-legacy-award ...
Jimmy Glenn Burk9/23/2014
Jim & Donna Barksdale receive Legacy 2014 Award: http://news.olemiss.edu/womens-council-legacy-award-salutes-barksdales/#.VCFxtFItCUk
Angela Maynard9/23/2014
What is not to like about this great man?
Phyllis Schwarzmann9/23/2014
One of John's and my favorite people. He is a man worth emulating.
Margie Poston Rhodes9/23/2014
Love the purple tie....wonderful individual...
Penny Hitchcock Hopper9/23/2014
So happy for them both. it's a fine tribute for their work.
Don Rose9/24/2014
Great photo!
Subject: Phone Directory form 1982 & Org charts from 1983 http://fedexlegends.info/documents.html
Jimmy Glenn Burk9/24/2014
Jere Bledsoe9/24/2014
Scanning those was sure an experience in time travel.
Mark Baugh9/24/2014
Time travel is right, those were the days...
Carl Wayne Hardeman9/24/2014
Saw Roy Hawkins at Farbirds tonight. Hasn't aged a bit!
Debora Williams Waller9/24/2014
There is my name before I got divorced. There are a lot people I know on this page.
Don Rose9/24/2014
WOW! I would love to know where some of these folks are now.
Buddy Johnson9/24/2014
Yes, Don. That would be interesting!!!
Nancy Hinds9/24/2014
Yes many name changes for the young ladies - ok more than 1 for some of us over achievers. The GOOD ole Clark Tower days. Britlings for breakfast - open first thing in the AM - a drug store - post office - and of course the always dandy Elans...
Nancy Hinds9/24/2014
And Jim Bentley would get in the elevator and starting bouncing it just to hear all the girls squeak - and we did...Bentley and JJ would just chuckle.
Terrie Hoerning9/24/2014
I'm listed under Terrie Tielens. At that time it was my responsibility to get the directory published. As soon as it was produced it was out of date. It was back in the good old hanger 7 days.
Subject: Found a sad item to report to this group today:
Jodie Harden9/24/2014
Mark Baugh9/24/2014
Sad news day for sure, I flew with Gene to COS in the Citations and in his Grumman Tiger out of Olive Branch, a good guy who will be missed.
Don Rose9/24/2014
Well damn, Gene was a great guy and he truly enjoyed life. Far too young.
J. David White9/24/2014
It's sad. Prayers for Gene's family.
Subject: Nov 1986 Telephone Directory Systems Development East
Jimmy Glenn Burk9/24/2014
Subject: Info Systems Org Chart 1988:
Jimmy Glenn Burk9/25/2014
Subject: FedEx Trivia Quiz: Who are these ladies?
Jimmy Glenn Burk9/26/2014
FedEx Trivia Quiz: Who are these ladies?
Dave Hansen9/26/2014
Raquel Welsh and Natalie Wood??
Charles Morgan9/26/2014
I know but I'll let someone else answer !
Deby Abbott Jolley9/26/2014
c'mon Chuck. Who are they?
Charles Morgan9/26/2014
Susan Goldner and Becky Steele Gafford ...
Gary Phillips9/26/2014
Exactly Chuck. Best Mr to it.
Kay Brown Moody9/26/2014
That was easy!!
Subject: FedEx Trivia Quiz: Who are these gentlemen?
Jimmy Glenn Burk9/26/2014
FedEx Trivia Quiz:
Who are these gentlemen?
Gary Phillips9/26/2014
Blues Brothers?
George Moore9/26/2014
Wade and Mark!
Subject: Jimmy Gafford and I are helping to clean up the Wolf River banks today! Wer're here today to help th ...
Charles Morgan9/26/2014
Jimmy Gafford and I are helping to clean up the Wolf River banks today! Wer're here today to help the Wolf River Conservancy to clean up the river !
Jimmy Glenn Burk9/27/2014
Jimmy looks a little different than the last time I saw him at the Hummingbird Festival a few years ago......
Ronnie Foster9/29/2014
My man Jimmy Gafford.... looking very satisfied with life!
Subject: Reposting...posted on my wall vs group page: FedEx Trivia: Name these 6 at a Telecom Fall Festival e ...
Jimmy Glenn Burk9/27/2014
Reposting...posted on my wall vs group page: FedEx Trivia:
Name these 6 at a Telecom Fall Festival event...1995
Jimmy Glenn Burk9/27/2014
Shirley Lovelace Williams: Is No 5 Ray Cox? (think first name was Ray). He and Roy Patterson were friends.
Subject: http://www.fedexlegends.info/ A place for FedEx retirees & friends from the Info & Telecommunication ...
Jimmy Glenn Burk9/28/2014
http://www.fedexlegends.info/
A place for FedEx retirees & friends from the Info & Telecommunications Division of FedEx to drop a note about where they are and what's going on.
http://fedexlegends.info/facebooklist.htmlPotential members should have worked in the ITD division, FedEx or be friends with someone at FedEx.
Subject: FedEx Poll:
Jimmy Glenn Burk9/29/2014
FedEx Poll:name you first mgr,dir,vp at FedEx,
name you last mgr, dir, vp at FedEx
David Warren9/30/2014
First - Hubert Fisher, Steve Steiling, Pat Galvin ------ Last - was a mgr, Mark Ramsey, Steve Moore,,,,,,
Buddy Johnson9/29/2014
Frank Smith, Mgr; Larry Stoltenberg, MD; don't remember VP - very fluid days when I hired on in Nov 1977
J. David White9/29/2014
1st Mgr. = Linda Wilson; 1st Mgr.Dir.= Winn Stephenson; VP=Ron Ponder.
Rebecca Felts9/29/2014
First manager: Pete potter, Dir. Jerry Winn, VP:Byron Hogue.
Last mgr: Georgia Jackson, Dir. Tony sharp, Vp: Gene Sun
Subject: www.fedexlegends.info Guest Book:
Jimmy Glenn Burk9/29/2014
www.fedexlegends.info Guest Book:Ron Foster: lots of great FedEx history here. Thanks for sharing.
David Warren9/29/2014
http://www.playbuzz.com/thelaststraw10/do-you-recognize-these-obsolete-technologies
Subject: Good Senior Sunday Deal Incredible Pizza (Germantown Parkway)
Jimmy Glenn Burk9/29/2014
Good Senior Sunday Deal
Incredible Pizza (Germantown Parkway)for Two Senior Buffets & two Drinks $7.88 Total
(must bring a church bulletin)
Subject: MemphisDailyNews.com
Jimmy Glenn Burk9/30/2014
MemphisDailyNews.comFedEx Shareholders Reject Proposal Over RedskinsFedEx shareholders rejected a proposal that the shipping giant end or distance itself from its ties to the Washington Redskins.The proposal from the Oneida Indian tribe was made Monday, Sept. 29, during the company's annual shareholder meeting in Memphis. The Redskins and companies associated with the National Football League team have come under fire from Native American groups and others who say the team's name is an offensive racial slur. FedEx sponsors the Redskins home field, FedExField, in Washington, D.C.'s Maryland suburbs.Susan White, director of the Oneida Trust of the Oneida Tribe of Indians of Wisconsin, said the name Redskins harkens to a time when rewards were paid for the skins of Native Americans.“We are the only race of people dehumanized by an NFL team,” White said during the meeting.The shareholders meeting was the second time in less than a week that the company’s sponsorship deal with the Redskins was in the spotlight. On Sept. 25, the Osage Nation of Oklahoma said it would boycott FedEx and urged its members to use other delivery companies until FedEx ends its relationship with the team.FedEx shareholders also rejected a proposal that would have allowed shareholders to make nominations to the company's board of directors.– Amos Maki
Wade Waldrup9/30/2014
What's with this? Who are the shareholders who in this day and age deem that it is okay to continue to associate with those who degrade and dehumanize a noble native people? Shame on you all.
Linda Shelley Morton9/30/2014
Right decision.
Karen Schmidt9/30/2014
lets get real and stop all this PC stupidity.....
Wade Waldrup9/30/2014
Perhaps you might feel differently if you were a Native American?
Karen Schmidt9/30/2014
like I said.. lets get real and stop all this PC stupidity.... we are raising a bunch of sissies.....
Subject: For my fellow retirees, from Memphis Mommy blog from 2013:
Jimmy Glenn Burk9/30/2014
For my fellow retirees, from Memphis Mommy blog from 2013:http://www.mymemphismommy.com/2013/08/senior-discounts-round-up.html
------------------------------------------------------------------------------Looking for a list of discounts available for seniors? Thanks to our awesome friends over at My Springfield Mommy for putting this list together for us.CELL PHONE DISCOUNTS:
AT&T: Special Senior Nation 200 Plan $19.99/month (65+)
Jitterbug: $10/month cell phone service ( 50 +)
Verizon Wireless: Verizon Nationwide 65 Plus Plan $29.99/month (65+).RESTAURANTS:
Applebee's: 15% off with Golden Apple Card (60+)
Arby's: 10% off ( 55 +)
Ben & Jerry's: 10% off (60+)
Bennigan's: discount varies by location (60+)
Bob's Big Boy: discount varies by location (60+)
Boston Market: 10% off (65+)
Burger King: 10% off (60+)
Chick-Fil-A: 10% off or free small drink or coffee ( 55+)
Chili's: 10% off ( 55+)
CiCi's Pizza: 10% off (60+)
Denny's: 10% off, 20% off for AARP members ( 55 +)
Dunkin' Donuts: 10% off or free coffee ( 55+)
Einstein's Bagels: 10% off baker's dozen of bagels (60+)
Fuddrucker's: 10% off any senior platter ( 55+)
Gatti's Pizza: 10% off (60+)
Golden Corral: 10% off (60+)
Hardee's: $0.33 beverages everyday (65+)
IHOP: 10% off ( 55+)
Jack in the Box: up to 20% off ( 55+)
KFC: free small drink with any meal ( 55+)
Krispy Kreme: 10% off ( 50+)
Long John Silver's: various discounts at locations ( 55+)
McDonald's: discounts on coffee everyday ( 55+)
Mrs. Fields: 10% off at participating locations (60+)
Shoney's: 10% off
Sonic: 10% off or free beverage (60+)
Steak 'n Shake: 10% off every Monday & Tuesday ( 50+)
Subway: 10% off (60+)
Sweet Tomatoes: 10% off (62+)
Taco Bell : 5% off; free beverages for seniors (65+)
TCBY: 10% off ( 55+)
Tea Room Cafe: 10% off ( 50+)
Village Inn: 10% off (60+)
Waffle House: 10% off every (60+)
Wendy's: 10% off ( 55 +)
Whataburger: 10% off (62+)
White Castle: 10% off (62+)RETAIL & APPAREL:
Banana Republic: 30% off ( 50 +)
Bealls: 20% off first Tuesday of each month ( 50 +)
Belk's: 15% off first of every month ( 55 +)
Big Lots: 30% off
Bon-Ton Department Stores: 15% off on senior discount days ( 55 +)
C.J. Banks: 10% off every Wednesday (50+)
Clarks : 10% off (62+)
Dress Barn: 20% off ( 55+)
Goodwill: 10% off one day a week (date varies by location)
Hallmark: 10% off one day a week (date varies by location)
Kmart: 40% off (Wednesdays only) ( 50+)
Kohl's: 15% off (60+)
Modell's Sporting Goods: 30% off
Rite Aid: 10% off on Tuesdays & 10% off prescriptions
Ross Stores: 10% off every Tuesday ( 55+)
The Salvation Army Thrift Stores: up to 50% off ( 55+)
Stein Mart: 20% off red dot/clearance items first Monday of every month ( 55 +)GROCERY:
Albertson's: 10% off first Wednesday of each month ( 55 +)
American Discount Stores: 10% off every Monday ( 50 +)
Compare Foods Supermarket: 10% off every Wednesday (60+)
DeCicco Family Markets: 5% off every Wednesday (60+)
Food Lion: 60% off every Monday (60+)
Fry's Supermarket: free Fry's VIP Club Membership & 10% off every Monday ( 55 +)
Great Valu Food Store: 5% off every Tuesday (60+)
Gristedes Supermarket: 10% off every Tuesday (60+)
Harris Teeter: 5% off every Tuesday (60+)
Hy-Vee: 5% off one day a week (date varies by location)
Kroger: 10% off (date varies by location)
Morton Williams Supermarket: 5% off every Tuesday (60+)
The Plant Shed: 10% off every Tuesday ( 50 +)
Publix: 15% off every Wednesday ( 55 +)
Rogers Marketplace: 5% off every Thursday (60+)
Uncle Guiseppe's Marketplace: 15% off (62+)TRAVEL :Airlines:
Alaska Airlines: 50% off (65+)
American Airlines: various discounts for 50% off non-peak periods (Tuesdays - Thursdays) (62+)and up (call before booking for discount)
Continental Airlines: no initiation fee for Continental Presidents Club & special fares for select destinations
Southwest Airlines: various discounts for ages 65 and up (call before booking for discount)
United Airlines: various discounts for ages 65 and up (call before booking for discount)
U.S. Airways: various discounts for ages 65 and up (call before booking for discount)Rail:
Amtrak: 15% off (62+)Car Rental:
Alamo Car Rental: up to 25% off for AARP members
Avis: up to 25% off for AARP members
Budget Rental Cars: 40% off; up to 50% off for AARP members ( 50+)
Dollar Rent-A-Car: 10% off ( 50+) Enterprise Rent-A-Car: 5% off for AARP members Hertz: up to 25% off for AARP members
National Rent-A-Car: up to 30% off for AARP membersOvernight Accommodations:
Holiday Inn: 20-40% off depending on location (62+)
Best Western: 40% off (55+)
Cambria Suites: 20%-30% off (60+)
Waldorf Astoria - NYC $5,000 off nightly rate for Presidential Suite (55 +)
Clarion Motels: 20%-30% off (60+)
Comfort Inn: 20%-30% off (60+)
Comfort Suites: 20%-30% off (60+)
Econo Lodge: 40% off (60+)
Hampton Inns & Suites: 40% off when booked 72 hours in advance
Hyatt Hotels: 25%-50% off (62+)
InterContinental Hotels Group: various discounts at all hotels (65+)
Mainstay Suites: 10% off with Mature Traveler's Discount (50+); 20%-30% off (60+)
Marriott Hotels: 25% off (62+)
Motel 6: Stay Free Sunday nights (60+)
Myrtle Beach Resort: 30% off ( 55 +)
Quality Inn: 40%-50% off (60+)
Rodeway Inn: 20%-30% off (60+)
Sleep Inn: 40% off (60+)ACTIVITIES & ENTERTAINMENT:
AMC Theaters: up to 30% off ( 55 +)
Bally Total Fitness: $100 off memberships (62+)
Busch Gardens Tampa, FL: $13 off one-day tickets ( 50 +)
Carmike Cinemas: 35% off (65+)
Cinemark/Century Theaters: up to 35% off
Massage Envy - NYC 20% off all "Happy Endings" (62 +)
U.S. National Parks: $10 lifetime pass; 50% off additional services including camping (62+)
Regal Cinemas: 50% off Ripley's Believe it or Not: @ off one-day ticket ( 55 +)
SeaWorld, Orlando , FL : $3 off one-day tickets ( 50 +)MISCELLANEOUS:
Great Clips: $8 off hair cuts (60+)
Supercuts: $8 off haircuts (60+)Don't forget in order to get these discounts you must ask. Do you know of another discount? If so please leave a comment so we can all take advantage of the savings!
For my fellow retirees, from Memphis Mommy blog from 2013:
Ben Moore10/2/2014
McAlister's 10% off.
Subject: Still funny after all these years:
Jimmy Glenn Burk10/1/2014
Still funny after all these years:
Don Rose10/1/2014
Memories!
David Warren10/1/2014
Classic
Penny Hitchcock Hopper10/1/2014
Moschitta came to the FedEx Marketing party the year that commercial ran and recited The Night Before Christmas in less than a minute. So much fun!!
Don Rose10/1/2014
I remember that Penny. Fun times.
Terrie Hoerning10/1/2014
Our commercials were the best back then.
Deby Abbott Jolley10/1/2014
Classic!
Molly Hale Moss10/1/2014
I had the pleasure of meeting him when FedEx Marketing hosted an event in San Francisco advertising From the Bay in a Day. Marketing has all the fun.
George Moore10/1/2014
He gave slow talking Barry Pilkinton an autographed picture.
Subject: This is a little graphic. It is a re-enactment of Flight 705
Jimmy Glenn Burk10/1/2014
Debora Williams Waller10/1/2014
I passed by the FB post several times before I decided to watch it. I knew this incident was very horrifying and sad, but I did watch it. This reenactment was very well done. The pilots and engineer were very brave and determined men.
Debora Williams Waller10/1/2014
I left work early that day driving from Nonconnah & Democrat,. south on Airways and noticed the DC-10 at the end of the runway and wondered why it had stopped there.
George Moore10/1/2014
I got the DVD from the History channel. I did not know it had been uploaded to you tube.
J. David White10/1/2014
I went to a retirement party shortly after this event (on FE 705) for friend Sam Posey who was the retiring president of the Fire Fighters Local in Memphis Fire Dept., and the MFD Paramedics that went on-board the grounded DC-10 (FE 705), had to fight their way into the cockpit because Auburn Callaway was still fighting everyone. The Firefighters had to throw Callaway down the emergency shute slide to get him off the aircraft. That aircrew was brave and gravely injured in that fight. Can you imagine being hit in the head with a hammer by someone who didn't like you? The Memphis FD Paramedics were roughed up a little by Callaway before they threw him off.
J. David White10/1/2014
God bless and protect our "First Responders".
J. David White10/1/2014
I had just left the FedEx computer campus on Airways when I saw that grounded DC-10 sitting on the runway. Whew - It sends shivers down my back when you consider what may have happened if Callaway had actually gained control of FE 705 aircraft. Would he have crashed it into the MEM Hub?
Ronnie Foster10/1/2014
Jump seated with Callaway from Memphis to LA about 3 week earlier. He was the Flt Engineer on that flight. I was flying with another DNE engineer Phong Nygen and we thought nothing about the guy, other than some rude comments he made to Phong during our trip, until this happened. Phong still had his business card that Callaway had given him during our flight. Whoa! Pretty scary thinking about it.
Chuck Siegfried10/3/2014
a rude comment from a pilot is normal....isn't it.
Subject: Management by 3 letters
Jimmy Glenn Burk10/3/2014
Management by 3 lettersThis story seemed to work at FedEx occasionally when someone from the outside comes in to take a new management position. Lot's of times, I was asked to give overviews of the company to new managers, directors and sometimes VP's. It was always interesting. Most wanted to know who in the company was going to help them, and who to watch out for that might be politically motivated. I saw an article on the 3 letters which brought this back to my memory. In some cases the new management people just wanted to know if I knew what the bonus were going to be and how often they would get raises...I knew that these people wouldn't last a year.3 Letters:
A new management person comes into a company, the outgoing manager tells him that when things aren't going right to open in order the 3 letters.Six months later nothing is working...the manager opens the First LetterLetter #1 Blame your predecessor....that gets the person about six months of relief and he then opens the second letterLetter #2 Re-org ...We aren't organized right! ...........Reorg..that gets some more relief but six months later...things aren't going right and he opens the third letterLetter #3 Prepare 3 letters
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...another variation was to Blame the employees....
...another variation...We don't have enough Proj Management
Don Rose10/3/2014
Boy, pretty dead on.
Jim McBryde10/3/2014
In my experience, the third letter would be its not my fault, we just reorged.
Subject: Jimmy Glenn Burk > FedEx ITD Retiree Breakfast Club
Jimmy Glenn Burk10/3/2014
Buddy Johnson10/4/2014
Paint ball targets???
Subject: Jimmy Glenn Burk > FedEx ITD Retiree Breakfast Club
Jimmy Glenn Burk10/3/2014
Subject: Jimmy Glenn Burk > FedEx ITD Retiree Breakfast Club
Jimmy Glenn Burk10/3/2014
Subject: 1996 Halloween Fall Festival @ Nonconnah Creek , 2828 Business Park
Jimmy Glenn Burk10/3/2014
1996 Halloween Fall Festival @ Nonconnah Creek , 2828 Business Park
Jimmy Glenn Burk10/3/2014
Barry was then an actual Reserve Police officer.
Deby Abbott Jolley10/3/2014
I remember "hooker" year!
Mukesh Bulia10/3/2014
Super Federals.......
Marie McVay10/3/2014
That's Casey Carter next to Barry....
Jim McBryde10/3/2014
The one on the left looks like Leslie Hazenfield Perkins.
Deby Abbott Jolley10/3/2014
That *is* Leslie. Linda Scat/Brigance was also a hooker that year.
Jimmy Glenn Burk10/3/2014
Deby Abbott Jolley10/3/2014
Barry Poole10/4/2014
That was a fun day. I think I put those cuffs on Leslie right after that picture was taken.
Subject: Lunch
Jimmy Glenn Burk10/3/2014
LunchHad lunch with old friend Jim Bentley today in honor of his 6x birthday. He is always a fun guy, really the same as when I met him decades ago.Met Jim in 1979 on my FedEx interview and spent many hours in his office for the Memphis DADS testing. His office on the 17th floor of Clark Tower was set up as Dispatch for Memphis. He probably got me in more trouble than I can remember...or want to remember.Also on that interview met Kay Coop, Suzanne Gaal, John Schwarzmann, Dick Winter, Jim Moore, Richard Dunn and I had already known Ancel Hankins & Terry Cox from DCC.
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